The Raven will not be worth it's new price. At all.

This forum needs a dislike button, too, as a note.

It's 40 million isk. It's a trivial amount

i like this, points out the critical flaws

(and don't forget the Ammar BS's, CCP seems to be going along the lines of "lets **** up every ship that's NOT gallente or minmmatar")

More proof in that from how they just buffed the Matar dread and removed the launchers and put it to turrets and gave it a huge bonus, turning it into pretty much the best dread in game, and said nothing about the phoenix and nothing on capital missile weapons.

Can I have your stuff?

By the way, these "if you don't do what i want, i'll quit" posts aren't amusing now, weren't amusing in the past and won't be amusing in the future.

ITT:

CCP: 'BS's will get an increase in buildcost of approximately 40mil isk'

Former T1 BS 2 days ago: 90-130mil

Playerbase: 'Waaaaaah! My [former T1 BS] will cost 250million!'

90 to 130mil, 40mil increase -> 250mil

Solid mathskills...

Do you honestly let "killboard stats" dictate your playstyle?

Really?



wow

Here's a little suggestion: set a flag for every battleship that was put in production before the patch. Then when someone reprocesses that battleship make it reprocess for the amount that it took to build it before the patch. And every battleship built after the patch hit just increase its base mineral amount. None of this 'extra materials' bull dung. It doesn't make any sense lore wise and the production efficiency skill doesn't factor into it, and you can't reprocess it for its newer build cost after the patch hits.

Doesn't that make sense?

Thats not an productive post, i usually dont like it, but i need to post it.

I see a pattern in CCP's behavior.

1. They create a feedback thread
2. Spread nonsense
3. Waiting for Feedback
4. Reading 5 Pages
5. Adjusting some Values
6. Call it fixed and be pround, because CCP always listen to pilots
7. Never Look at that thread again, even when 100 Pages have pasted

There is a second pattern:

1. CCP claims something
2. Pilots says its not true
3. CCP says internal research showed...
4. Players asking for the data and results
5. CCP remains silence

Do you see any other patterns?

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding, but couldn't I just buy a load now and sell the ships themselves off at ~40mil extra later on?

More tritanium in 0.0-ores-> more mining -> lower mineral prices -> lower T1 ship prices.
Better production in 0.0 stations -> more competition -> lower T1 ship prices.
Base mineral requirement for BS increased to get closer to former Tier3 BS build requirements.
Mineral requirement increase would be worth about 40 mil in current mineral prices.
In future mineral prices, the building requirement increase might be worth around 10 or 20mil and might be completely offset by the general decrease in price through lower mineral prices.
But nooooooo.
Lets not wait what happens and complain then!
We are so perfect at economics that we know 100% what will happen in this intricate system!
But instead of using that perfect knowledge to become rich in EvE, we use it to predetermine the worst scenario and then ***** about it on the forums as if it has already happend.

Me. I would even pay 750 mil for it as long as it is the only ECM Battleship.

As someone with high missile skills and Caldari battleship 5 who has tested the new Raven on Duality-

It's not good. At all. Still slow (hampered by awful capacitor and poor agility), EXCEPTIONALLY poor defense (Seriously- the NAVY AUGOROR can pretty much beat the Raven in terms of EHP- It's loads cheaper and it still does 50% of the Raven's DPS!), it has the sig of a small moon... There really are no upsides to the Raven now, at all, anymore, except maybe 'selectable damage types'. You have flight time (which was admittedly cut with the cruise missile boost), you have enemy sig/velocity penalties (which were smoothed out a bit with the cruise missile buffs, but I'm not sure how well it'll actually go), you have NO staying power whatsoever in ANY fight, you don't have the capacitor to haul your battleship into kiting range, you don't have the DPS to thwart an active tanked Dominix somehow... This ship is not worth 200 million ISK. This whole rebalancing of battleships has hit Caldari in the balls so hard that honestly they're only worth flying in the frigate and cruiser categories. You will NOT see more Ravens be flown in PvP. Likely, it'll drop off to actually being zero. Same with Scorpions. HORRIBLE sig resolution, abysmal forced armor tank, no weapons, first primary... ~180 million ISK. Not worth it. Not worth it at all.